Fairbairn-Sykes-Applegate Knife Fighting

2009 September 24

The Fairbairn-Sykes-Applegate (FSA) Knife Fighting is the basic knife fighting system taught to the British Empire and American military, OSS and SOE during WWII. William Ewart Fairbairn and Eric Anthony Sykes also invented the famous British commando dagger — “Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife” — and Rex Applegate and Fairbairn, designed a fighting knife  – the less famous Boker Applegate-Fairbairn knife.  The system is still held in high esteem in some quarters because of their expertise in other areas of close-quarter battle, but the problem with their method was none of them were experienced knife fighters.

The cardinal rule of knife fighting is to avoid the point of the enemy’s dagger, but the Fairbairn, Sykes, and Applegate method ignores that. Their knife fighting tactics were abysmal. As well as ignoring concepts like tempo, misura and velocità, Fairbairn dismisses the need for any stance or guard. Whereas Applegate advocates adopting cinghiale porta di ferro larga – knife held in the right hand at the right hip with the left foot and left hand forward.

Col. Rex Applegate

Col. Rex Applegate

This a terrible knife fighting guard. It leaves your front, left flank and rear only guarded by your empty left hand, telegraphs your attacks, and you can attack the enemy at close range — (misura stretta). If your enemy is in the same guard and you fatally stab him, he’s still likely to stab you right back. If you’re lucky he’ll let you share the ambulance.

Trying to parry a dagger thrust at close range is a good way to get a free ride in an ambulance. The best way to parry a dagger thrust is to move out of it’s range and parry it when it falls short, when it travelling at less velocity. But even then it dangerous to parry a dagger with an empty hand, and has to be done with force. It’s better to parry blade on blade, or to use a stab to the enemy’s hand as a stop hit. Parrying the enemy’s forearm or wrist with your dagger might cut them but still leaves you vulnerable to their attack. You might sever his radial or ulnar artery but if he might stab you in the Jacobs. Not a good trade off.

The FSA method also overemphases slashing, but stabbing is a lot more effective. A slash requires a much longer range of motion, and requires two movements, whereas a stab only requires one. It also needs to be travelling at a much greater velocity to inflict serious damage. Another problem with the FSA method is the Fairbairn “timetable of death”, trying to sever the enemy’s arteries is fine if he is standing still like a mug, but when he’s moving about with a dagger that he wants to stick in you — forget about it! Targets need to be accessible. Most people usually stab to the stomach and slash to the face, but these are the best protected targets. Stabbing someone in the throat, Jacobs, arse, thigh, or foot, is a lot easier and will end a fight.

38 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 September 30

    @ Becky

    I asked who do you think is more likely to attack you with a knife a black geezer in a hoodie, a blonde in prada or a rabbi. You’ve answered the question. BTW carrying a knife ain’t a problem, knives they don’t run around stabbing people on their own.

  2. 2009 September 29
    Becky permalink

    Stop stereotyping black people. White people carry knives too you know.

  3. 2009 September 28

    @ LWTC

    Oops… sorry :)

  4. 2009 September 27

    It’s very easy at close range if they’re leaning towards you or away from you. At distance you can set it up with a feint to the Jacobs, abdomen or throat. It’s a good attack and part of old fashioned knife fighting. One of the hardest combination attacks to defend is a stab Jacobs, thigh, and foot. The leaps onto one foot in the Sicilian system are defences to low level attacks.

  5. 2009 September 27

    Heather, knife fighting is big all over Europe because of gun laws but in Italy there is a long tradition of fencing and knife fighting is part of that, remember that Italy’s knife fighting tradition goes back well over 2,000 years. Peasants duelling with daggers but all classes fought with them. The reason America doesn’t have a knife culture is because of the 2nd amendment. If you have a choice — carry a firearm. In my opinion, the anti gun lobby is a bigger threat to American national security than some spoilt Saudi cave-dwelling goat-molester, holed up in Pakistan.

  6. 2009 September 26

    Amica, sì moltissimo

  7. 2009 September 26

    heather,

    Literally: “Dickhead! I’m a cunt”. It means a tidy piece of arse.

  8. 2009 September 26

    Tell me about it.

  9. 2009 September 26

    I’d rather the hand than the arse, but I’d much rather not get stabbed at all.

  10. 2009 September 26

    Kev,

    Not really because Applegate was an American with OSS during the war, and the British military didn’t rate Fairbairn. He worked with Sykes as a municipal policeman in Singapore and again briefly as CBQ instructors in Britain in 1940, but they fell out and he was fucked off, first to Canada at camp X and then to the OSS. Sykes on the other hand was well respected and stayed on in Britain and taught special forces, SOE and his methods were taught in “Tough Tactics” by the APTC. He was an exceptional firearm instructor and a pioneer in modern point-shooting. Applegate trained with them both.

    I think the British were a lot more sceptical about Fairbairn’s knife fighting than the Americans but didn’t see the need to learn a proper knife fighting system, whereas the Septics bought it hook, line and sinker. There is a book called “Put ‘em Down, Take ‘em Out!: Knife Fighting Techniques from Folsom Prison” by Don Pentecost, which purports to be jail house knife fighting but it’s a rip off of Applegate.

  11. 2009 September 26

    Rather butt than balls
    (perhaps u need to be a man to truely appreciate that ‘choice’)

    Resets reminder not to browse Stefi blog on public computers!

  12. 2009 September 26

    @Steph

    Thanks Steph… I feel so much better knowing that.

    ————————————-

    *looks down at his happysack*

    It seems everyone wants a piece of you these days… can’t say I am surprised…

  13. 2009 September 25

    As to why the British adopted this system.

    Because Applegate was a high ranking field officer just below staff rank, he probably actively promoted the system and believed in it himself.

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