Unarmed Knife Defences

2009 June 9
17th Century Stilleto

17th Century Stiletto

In previous post, Rob said, and I agree, that most unarmed knife defences taught by martial arts instructors don’t work in the real world. During the Renaissance period, stilettos weren’t just carried by professional soldiers they were also carried by ordinary civilians for personal defence, even girls carried them for protection against would-be rapists when anti-rape defences were designed to be fatal to the attacker of to at least remove his capacity to rape – permanently! So most knife defences taught by fencing schools at this time were dagger on dagger.

But unarmed knife defences were also used in Renaissance and Baroque fencing. These techniques were only effective because they were designed to be used against a triangular stiletto blade, which wouldn’t cut the defender if they grabbed or were struck with the edge of the blade.

Col Moshin knife

Extrema Ratio "Col Moshin"

They wouldn’t be very effective against a modern single or double edged dagger that could slice through flesh and sever an artery, like the famous Pugnale da paracadutista assaltatore Mod. 1939, “Col Moshin” Knife, 39 09, Nemesis, Milano stiletto, or Bowie knife.

Extrema Ratio 39 09

Extrema Ratio "39 09"

Extrema Ratio Nemesis

Extrema Ratio "Nemesis"

Italian stiletto

Milano stiletto

Bowie knife

Bowie knife

Even though Italian knife fencing was popular very popular in Italy during the 19th Century, few fencing styles taught unarmed defences because knives had changed and the old disarms could no longer be done without being cut to ribbons. So why do so many modern self-defence “experts” advocate unarmed knife defences that haven’t got a hope in hell of working?

38 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 June 12

    I was just making a parallel – Bruce Lee was supposedly targeted by the Kung Fu assassins for teaching westerners. Not that I believe that or at least the full scope of it but it sounds like an attempt by Carradines representatives to create the same myth.

    So you are saying the truth is either Tai Chi assassins or Kuma Sutra abuse?

  2. 2009 June 12

    Drug overdose weren’t it?

  3. 2009 June 12

    What about Bruce Lee?

  4. 2009 June 11

    Kev

    I don’t know mate. Could have been some coffin dodgers at his local Tai Chi class, tracked him down to Thailand used a few enhanced interrogation methods of him, then left him swinging by the bollocks as a warning. Either that or he was a sex case.

  5. 2009 June 11
    Kevin Goodman permalink

    Incest?

    I would have guessed the Lawyer was practicing PR trying to save the dignity. I have a hard time imagining a secret Kung fu assassin cult – maybe triad gangs with members practicing kung fu but not a gang based on Kung fu. Who knows maybe I’m wrong – What an exit, aye?

  6. 2009 June 11

    @ Kevin

    I just read a report, it seems his ex wives said he got off on auto-erotic asphyxiation, bondage and incest. So he sounds like the sort of person who might tie himself up by the balls , hands and neck. I don’t think I’ve watched his films but I’ve watched a few with Keith Carradine in.

  7. 2009 June 11

    @ heather

    Depends on the scent I like masculine scents on men.

  8. 2009 June 11

    I’m laughing but I don’t know if I should be -

    David Carradine from Kung Fu the 70s movie turned TV episode. It was supposed to be Bruce Lee’s big break but Hollywood felt he was too Asian for American taste and Carradine took the role. At any rate he has been a figure for Martial Arts here in the U.S.

    Last week or the week before he was found dead at a hotel in Thailand. His testicles had been tied up along with his wrist and neck – Thai police say he was practicing some dangerous sex game and died – apparently alone while masturbating. His family’s attorney says he was working on uncovering underground Kung fu sects and was assassinated.

    He was in his 70s – the low down.

  9. 2009 June 11
    heather permalink

    You like strong cologne on men, huh?

  10. 2009 June 11

    @ heather

    God it’s strong but I love that scent, it’s so masculine and sexy.

  11. 2009 June 11

    @ Amie

    You mean, in case you need to defend yourself from an attacker!!!

  12. 2009 June 11

    @ Kevin

    Exactly, although I’ve got to admit I will watch films for the fencing.

  13. 2009 June 11

    @ Kevin

    Definitely and good for penetrating the groin, which is how it is often used in Baroque fencing.

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