Abortion is assassination. It don’t make no freaking difference if the baby is in the womb or out the womb, they’re still human beings, and killing babies is just plain freaking wrong. Words like abortion and termination are just cowardly ways of saying assassination. So why do the Pro- Assassination lobby getting so freaking upset over one death? I not saying that aborting George Tiller was the right thing but I thought they supported abortions.
Anyways, he just one baby killing scumbag… 40 million babies are assassinated in the womb every year… that’s genocide! Apparently that ain’t enough for the politicians in Brussels. They want more babies to be killed. So they wants to force all Catholic doctors to perform assassinations too. But all doctors in the EU are supposed to take the Hippocratic oath, which says, “thou shalt not be a freaking baby killing scumbag”!
And why do baby killers call themselves pro-choice? They ain’t pro the choice of the baby to live or the father of the unborn child that it should live, they’re only pro the choice of women to kill their own children, that’s freaking demented. The only argument for assassinating a baby in the womb is to preserve another life, not because the mother don’t want her child.
There are good reasons why a woman don’t want her own kid but that doesn’t mean she has to kill it because she can give her child up for adoption… yes, even if she was raped. It ain’t the baby that needs aborting; it’s the freaking rapist.
But most girls don’t have abortions because they was raped, they’re sluts who got pregnant and think assassinating their baby would be less inconvenient.
Hey! Thanks for calling me a slut! I appreciate the compliment.
I didn’t baby killer, you called yourself one, but I ain’t going to disagree with ya.
I quote: “But most girls don’t have abortions because they was raped, they’re sluts who got pregnant and think assassinating their baby would be less inconvenient.”
If you can follow your own logic, you would realize that you had, indeed, called me (a woman who has had an abortion) a slut. But considering your grammar skills, you probably don’t have very good reasoning skills, either.
@ Karen
Well no, she didn’t. She said most women who have abortions are sluts. You are misconstruing that to mean all women who have abortions are sluts. So actually her grasp of logic is better than yours, and she has a valid point: many women who have abortions are promiscuous and in the UK there is considerably evidence that abortion is being used in place of contraception.
Steph…
Okay, I sort of agree with you here women shouldn’t have abortion so easily but I still think it’s their right.
@ heather
Well definitely a woman has a legal right to assassinate her unborn child before it is 24 weeks old but how civilised is a society that sees it as a woman’s moral right to exterminate her own children? This is nihilism.
As much as I think that abortions are despicable, I don’t think that an outright ban would work or be accepted. I think it would be far better to reduce the first trimester.
I think one issue that results is that the law becomes interpreted as a right.
It’s her right because it’s her body.
Thanks Heather.
I know that’s the argument and as much as I believe in personal liberty I also believe in obligations. If somebody leaves a baby on my front door – I believe it would be my obligation to care for that baby regardless of whether or not I want to. That’s why I have trouble accepting it as a fundamental right.
Nah, as it goes, it’s the child’s body that is going to be aborted, not hers.
I have always tried to avoid discussions regarding abortion. Not because I’m indifferent but because it’s an emotional topic that’s more likely to lead to hard line divisions than change…That said I have no shame in saying that I am against it – if it is less than human than it is potential that was otherwise destined.
Ironically the louder you yell bloody murder the more likely opponents will validate their position because it’s too damn uncomfortable for them not to– at least according to the heuristics of persuasion as per cognitive dissonance. If you buy that theory
That’s not a challenge for you, Amie
Best wishes,
The assassination of an unborn child is assassiantion, whether they call it abortion or a termination. It’s human life being killed in the womb. I don’t think any girl should have to play mother to a rapists baby but that don’t mean she has to end its life. This post might be a rant but assassination is assassination, that’s all I’m saying.
I can appreciate the emotionalism I’m just trying to lend support in my own way.
I am pro-choice. If you don’t want a baby, don’t get pregnant.
I don’t know if your religious or not, but it seems that anything that Satan wants to do, he always finds a way to play the verbage game. Maybe we ought to start playing it too.
Lauren
Yeah, agree with all of that. I pro that choice too. I’m a Catholic but if the Pope said tomorrow abortion was okay, I would still be against it.
Lauren…
Some women take precautions but still get pregnant.
You see heather, that is the biggest problem concerning the issue. We have come to totally misunderstand what the purpose of Sex is.
Sex is for procreation. Without trying to get crude in talking about it, take a look at the anatomy of man, and take a look at the anatomy of a woman. I could go into the details, but there is no need to, clearly they are made to be joined together, and when they are joined together they are meant to impregnate the woman.
So, with all do respect, when you say that some woman take precautions, yet still get pregnant, I say, “No kidding.” Occasionally, the genitals just happen to accomplish the very thing they where designed for, despite some people’s use of them for anything but it, imagine that
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So what I am saying is that the reason for sex, is to have babies. That is why God gave us the tools to do it. The purpose of sex is not, FOR JOLLIES, or just casual recreation.
Ok, so people may say, then why did God make it feel so Good if it wasn’t mainly given to us for pleasure? Well that is easy, it’s not really that hard to figure out. To have children. You see, God needs us to procreate so that his spirit children can inhabit human bodies. However, he has one problem. Guess what that is? Most people are so selfish, that they would never go through the personal sacrifices needed in order to not only bare children, but to sacrifice their own needs and wants to spend the almost 20 years to raise a child right. If it relied just on peoples willingness to put others first, the human family would have long been extinct.
If there is one thing I know as father, the love one shares with another, the type of love one shares with their spouse and with their children, the type of love of caring for someone even more than you do for yourself, is far greater and even more rewarding than the pleasure one gets from the simple act in the bedroom, which are indeed very rewarding. When a husband and wife have children, the love that they only had for each other at first, now is turned towards the child. They still love each other, but the spouse is no longer the only one, or in better words, if a hypothetical situation happened where my wife could only save my life or the life of my daughter, I would expect her to save my daughter, and she would expect the exact same thing from me.
You see, life is not a mistake. But we treat it as such in this day and age. And though even I do not believe in sex outside of the bonds of marriage, even then, when life occurs, it is still beautiful. When we say, of dangit, I messed up and got (or got someone) pregnant, God says, yep, my plan is working.
OK, but back to the physical pleasures of sex. In my opinion, the physical pleasures associated with sex, which are strong, and powerful, and absolutely rewarding, and beautiful, are some of the fruits of joy that those who chose to selflessly create life and serve others are worthy of. So, there is nothing wrong with experiencing those joys either.
You see, people are by their very nature selfish. Yet I have seen many selfish people over the years of parenting change, and become more thoughtful, less selfish, and totally change after having a child. You see, life, and the creation of it brings people together.
Anyway, I doubt many people who are even pro-life like my view on it. I am even against birth control to a large degree. I see it as Satan thwarting God’s plan. But I am very sympathetic for people who do believe in birth control, because at one time even I did. The very first thing I did when I got married was convince my wife to go down to the doctor and get birth control shots. I remember, that it kind of messed her up for a while. I was scared for so long about having children because I was afraid of not being able to provide for them, then one day, for some reason, I decided to go ahead and not use birth control and let my wife get pregnant, and boy and am glad I did. I never knew the joy that a child can bring into your life. I have since felt sick to my stomach about convincing my wife to do something, that she didn’t really want to do. And I have since felt very sorry, for treating something that is as beautiful and sacred as life as a mistake.
Actually, abortion and birth control are both mentioned in the Bible, here a couple references
Gen 1:28 ← God’s command to Adam and Eve
Gen 38: 8-10 ← You should be able to figure it out when you read it, but God was very displeased by a primitive form of birth control.
Exodus 21: 22 ← Granted this one may not necessarily be referring to abortion, but you can see that God does value the life of an unborn child.
Life is a miracle, not a mistake. And there was a day when people considered themselves blessed to have a child. Nowadays, people treat it as a curse, or an accident.
But I do believe in free agency, so I do have an exception for abortion, in which case I think it should be allowed, and that is in the case of a rape. Because Like I said, I am pro-choice, and a woman who was raped and impregnated had that forced upon them, and was not given the right to make the choice on her own. But even in that case, I think it is something that should be handled as soon as possible, and not waiting until the child is about to be born to do.
But two people that decide they just want to have fun together in the bedroom, are consciously deciding to engage in an act that was specifically engineered by our creator for the outcome of a child.
And one more thing and I will end this ridiculously long comment. Women who don’t want a child, can always put it up for adoption.
Lauren, sex is for procreation? Well, I suppose partly it is. It’s also an act that occurs between two people who love each other very much.
@ Ros
It’s also a very pleasurable act that occurs between two people who don’t love each other.
@ Lauren
The annual slaughter of 40 million babies is Satanic.
I’m just wondering at what point our cultures moved toward the idea that this was okay. There’s a time and place for almost everything, but I just don’t understand the mentality of the pro-choice crowd…
@ Buffoon
Me neither and to pretend that this is a about a woman’s right to choice is idiotic, she had the choice not to get pregnant.
Two Words: Public Education
That’s where.
@amie and steph: I agree with you that abortion is baby killing. Unfortunatly, it is a product of a decadent Western Culture that believes in discarding everything as if it were trash.
@karen and the pro choice crowd: I agree with the last statement by amie in that those who are pro choice are sluts and assasins.
@ Roberto
The assassination of one child is horrendous enough but a third of women in the UK (more in America) who terminate their child’s life do so repeatedly.
http://alvarezgalloso.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/abortion-is-for-egoists/
My reflection On Abortion.
@ Roberto
Thanks. Great post.
A very powerful post. In the US, abortion is primarily doomed to a political debate. The “pro-lifers” don’t seem to care once the baby is born and rarely dwell on the relatively high infant mortality rate here. The “pro-choicers” doesn’t seem to grasp what responsibility is about. It’s not just a “choice,” its a human being, one without any say in the matter. But is the fetus a human being? Is it part of the woman’s body and she is free to do what she likes with it? This is the logic of modern materialistic way of life. The role of feminism(“men and woman are the same in all aspects” and “motherhood is for losers”) and radical environmentalists(population control) also cannot be understated.
I would say you can be both pro-life and pro-choice. You do have a choice to get in bed and conceive, but then its a responsibility to bear(depending on whatever is the point various faiths considers a fetus a fully viable human being with a soul). I don’t abortions, which is one of the main reasons I avoided OB/GYN and Family practice. The pre-Islamic Arabs used to commit infanticide(especially towards females) and while it wasn’t technically abortion, the motivation behind it are mostly the same as today : economics and irresponsibility.
I don’t want woman getting back alley abortions with coat hangers and dying as a result or blocking their access to reproductive care but I sure as hell don’t want my tax dollars funding what is largely an elective procedure. Abortions are not a “right” and if you want one, pay for it yourself, both in this life and the hereafter.
Sugarcoating mass murder only reflects the pathetic state of morality and ethnics today.
Although I do not agree with abortion as a birth control method, I will always support it and a women’s right to choose. I say this not only as a woman, but as one who has worked in the medical field and seen why abortions are necessary. I have held the hands of a woman who had learned of her child who was not developing a brain and only part of a heart. I have had patients who had life threatening illnesses that were made worse by unexpected pregnancies, and whose fetuses would never have made it to full term – killing both the baby and the mother. These women did not mindlessly choose to have an abortion, they agonize over it, hoping beyond hope for some medical miracle. They will carry the knowledge and emotion of that loss forever. And most distressing, was an 11 yr old patient, a victim of incest, pregnant by her own father. Someone needs to explain to me, that after being repeatedly raped by her own father, why this CHILD should be required to go through the process of carrying a child, the birth of said child – both which can be medically challenging and most definitely emotionally crippling. I don’t know how anyone could look that 11 yr old victim of incest in the eye and tell her what she must endure, while knowing that a quick and painless end could be brought to a truly emotional trauma.
@ Victoria
Amie said in the post
This would be a defence for the killing of any other human regardless how old they were but you want to extend that to justify the extermination of humans because they are less than perfect and might not have a good quality of life. Well that is very Naziesque, what you are talking about is a social determination of who deserves to be born and who doesn’t. And we both know that next to no abortions are carried out for the health of the mother and only a tiny percentage because the child’s life would be unsustainable. The vast majority of abortions are carried out because the mother, without consent of the father, would prefer her child destroyed than the inconvenience of raising it. We need to address the facts not hide behind meaningless feminist cliché. Having a vagina doesn’t give a woman the moral right to destroy another human being.
I agree with you that a woman having a child through rape is an extremely distressing situation but how exactly does this justify the killing of a child? And it won’t make the victim any less violated. Killing her own child isn’t a morally justifiable solution to an unwanted pregnancy.
But the anti-abortion argument has one major problem that you didn’t mention – it is unrealistic. Amy ban would lead to backstreet abortions. So that’s why I’d rather see a reduction to 12 weeks, allowing any woman to have an abortion for whatever reason. But beyond 12 weeks, the destruction of a human child is completely unjustifiable except in defence of the mother’s life or another unborn child’s life.
How is a fetus with no brain development and a heart that is only partially developing constitute a human life. You can’t live without a brain. This woman would have given birth (if her body didn’t rid itself of the fetus first) to a dead baby – or one that would die within seconds if it survived the birth process – so how can that be considered Naziesque? Why make a woman give birth to a dead baby?
You comment on the rape of a woman – and how it’s the killing of a child. Why should she bear the burden of that rape for 9 months? Rape leaves emotional scars on a woman that rarely ever heal, and yet you feel she should be compelled to face the product of her rape for 9 months, deal with people asking her all the questions and giving her all the comments that one hears when a woman is pregnant and then you believe she needs to further bear the agony of child birth – a product of anger, fear and hate? It is mentality like that restricts the advancement of women as equals.
And as for “killing a child” – a fetus, yes, it’s a fetus, is not viable in the first trimester – so it is not a child, it is a fetus. Until science finds a way to remove a fetus from a women’s womb and assist in it’s development and growth, then a women’s choice to carry to term is her own. She is a human being, with rights, good or bad, to choose what happens to her own body. If you don’t believe in abortion, I suggest you don’t have one. And if you don’t want a “child” to die in an abortion, well, help science to figure out a way to transfer a fetus to your womb and then you can be a baby breeding factory for those of us who want the right to choose!
@ Victoria
Of course a human foetus is human life and by 12 weeks a foetus is undoubtedly a child. I note you failed to acknowledge that statistically only a tiny percentage of abortions are carried out for the health of the mother or because the child’s life would be unsustainable. It’s also interesting that you predicate your Naziesque selection argument on aborting still born children, which means that the child wouldn’t have been killed because it’s already dead. So you’re trying to fudge the issue.
Your other argument is even more Naziesque, you have made an argument for the extermination of children on the basis that they might be a burden to the mother. Well sorry, but that is morally on par with the Final Solution. A rape victim might want an abortion and I would support her right to do so within the first 12 weeks of her pregnancy, after then no she doesn’t morally have the right to kill that innocent child, any more than she has the right to kill it after it was born. It is infantile to suggest that the right not to kill another human being is gender prejudice when many aborted babies are assassinated because of their gender.
As abortions in the case of rape are statically insignificant. Lets deal with reality, the vast majority of pregnancies that are aborted are because promiscuous women failed to use contraception and don’t want to be burdened by the inconvenience of caring for their children. Over a third do so repeatedly. There is a very obvious legal solution: if a woman has an abortion after 12 weeks, let her and the abortionist stand trial for murder, because any society that mass murders the unborn is as morally bankrupt as one that mass murders the born – and the two normally go hand in hand.
How can you call abortion “assassination” when the word usually refers to politically-motivated killings? AFAIK an unborn baby has no political views…
@ George
The word doesn’t mean that, otherwise the phrase political assassination would be a tautology, assassination just means premediatated killing. The title of the post is a translation of the Italian phrase l’aborto è assassinio.
AFAIK assassinio in Italian simply means “murder” and does not carry the connotations of the English word “assassination”. Oh, and “assassination” usually implies a murder involving a surprise attack for non-personal reasons – usually it refers to political killings, but it is sometimes also used to refer to (for example) killings by criminal hitmen.
@ George
No it doesn’t, but it’s usually translated that way. It means premeditated killing, whereas murder means the common law offence of assassination. The usage is no different from the traditional English one but I don’t disagree with you that that the word assassination often takes on those connotation, especially in American English, but that’s just not how Amie used it. I don’t see a problem.