Real Self-Defence
In previous posts on this blog, we’ve taken a no bullshit attitude to self-defence, whether it be the right to bear arms, the use of force, or efficacy of martial arts, and you’ll be glad to know this post will be no different. The self-defence industry is dominated by untested and incompetent charlatans, fantasy merchants, wannabes and halfwits. There are over 4.8 million frequent martial art practitioners in America alone, and it’s a fair bet that most of them couldn’t fight their way out of wet paper bag. Most martial arts are less than useless in real combat. So this post is about real self-defence: what works and what doesn’t. If that offends anyone — good — you probably deserve to be offended.
This is obvious but I’ll say it anyway: I’d always prefer to be armed than unarmed and as Steph said in previous posts women’s self-defence is usually a complete waste of time. But if you’re unarmed then there are no better self-defence systems than boxing and wrestling. There are plenty of people, who’ve never boxed, who can throw a decent punch but nothing compares to boxing for punching power and the ability to land a decent shot without getting hit. There are people who will say what about MMA or kick boxing, but how many of them who don’t box, could out punch a semi decent boxer?
Just look at how many of those fighters get dropped trying to throw a right hook. How many orthodox boxers do you even see throwing right hooks?
As for all these open handed strikes, lets establish a fact here: punches are harder. So you might be able to bitch slap or palm strike quite hard but you can punch a lot harder. And the only time I would kick someone is when they’re on the deck. I’ve never seen anyone dropped with a kick in a street fight who didn’t get straight back up again but I’ve seen plenty of idiots get put on their arses trying to throw kicks.
But in my opinion, as useful as boxing is wrestling is better, and when I say wrestling, I mean Greco-Roman and freestyle, not submission wrestling. I’m not saying that submission holds don’t work but a decent throw on concrete will end a street fight outright, submission holds rarely end street fights. Also, more judo and sambo matches are won with throws than they are submissions — even most grappling matches don’t end in submission — there’s a reason for that. That’s why I rate judo and sambo and don’t rate Brazilian jiu-jitsu, because Brazilian jiu-jitsu is useless in a stand up fight and in my opinion: lying on your back with your legs open ain’t a good fighting strategy.
Having said that Japanese jujitsu, with its standing arm locks that don’t work is far worse, and so is aikido, which is one of the so-called “internal martial arts”, which might sound like a martial art for rapists, but really means it’s based on magic. But strangely enough there are gullible mugs, who think that this is a practical form of self-defence and that old Morihei Ueshiba, could really throw people about by magic like Hermonie Granger on the rag.
In previous posts, I mentioned krav maga, the Israeli self-defence system, is also a load of horseshit and is really just the H2H combat system taught by William Ewart Fairbairn, Eric Anthony Sykes, and Rex Applegate during WWII. The Fairbairn, Sykes and Applegate Defendu system proved to be abysmal in real combat and there’s no point pretending otherwise, their knife and gun defences might look good in Hollywood movies, but are suicidal in real life, as I’ve said before unarmed defences against knife attacks are a very good way to get yourself killed and unarmed defences against a gun only work if you’re close enough to seize the gun arm. If you are going to disarm someone with a gun or knife, you want to do it before or as they are drawing the weapon, not after. And if someone is pointing a gun at you it’s a fair bet they don’t intend to shoot you or they would have just done it.
But unarmed combat is the poor man’s self-defence. Weapons are the great equaliser: a 5okg girl can shoot a 100kg man dead with a gun or castrate him with a knife a lot more easily than she can throw him to the ground or spark him out. The golden rule of real self-defence, is wherever you have the right to carry a firearm: carry a firearm and be prepared to use it, and here I advocate Handgun Point-Shooting. This is where I do take Fairbairn, Sykes and Applegate seriously.
But assuming that your not going allowed or going to carry a firearm, as far as I’m concerned the next best weapon is an attack dog because a good attack dog is more than capable of taking down a geezer armed with a gun or knife, and for a girl they’re a great deterrent; a girl walking a big dog isn’t likely to be a target for a rapist or mugger. I’m not saying that it’s impossible to defend against attack dog but it’s not easy, and I train my dogs to fight alongside me.
I also recommended knife fighting as an effective form of self-defence because knives are the weapon of choice on the streets of Europe – it’s bordering on pacifism for a young man not to carry one — and there are plenty of very effective knife fighting systems, that are a far more effective form of self-defence than any unarmed combat system. I also mentioned TASERs and stun guns, I’m not a big fan, I prefer stun batons because if you can’t crack open some mug’s canister with two whacks, you ain’t trying hard enough. They’re a very effective tool for disarming someone without getting too close, crowd control, and also pretty good for getting Amie out of bed in the mornings.
Having said that, I prefer a Venetian cornoler and bastone corto (or short staff), good weapons to have in your motor, because they don’t look like weapons, and if you know how to use them, they are awesome weapons. Very good to use with an attack dog, and if you’re walking a dog, no one is going to say anything about you walking around with a stick in your hand — think about it! And if you’re really pissed off with someone and want to take things a little bit further than reasonable force, beating the soles of their feet with a stick is a good way to inflict severe agony and leave no evidence. When we’re on the subject of stick fighting, we also mentioned Paranza, a great form of self-defence for goat herders, but not much good on the streets on London or Rome today.
Now this brings me on to improvised weapons. I would much rather take my chances and carry a genuine weapon than an improvised weapon but if you are going to carry one, the Italian housewives weapon of choice — salt — has to be favourite. If you grind salt into someones eye, it’s going to do some serious damage, but even throwing a fist full of salt in someone face at close range will probably end a fight. That’s what that tradition throwing salt over your left shoulder is all about: throwing salt in the Devil’s eye. But it’s a bit too hit or miss for my liking.
No tights, just leotards (singlets)
I could never adjust to the tights
Thanks to you both for the info. At least i wont be walking into the judo class unaware of my prejudices!
I have been meaning to do some research on the history of the martial arts for ages now. Is it an easy think to become authoritativly educated on, or are there competing histories?
I think the best time to disarm someone with a knife is before they’ve draw it. If you’re wearing slash proof forearm guards and a stab proof vest, then you might feel confident about defending yourself against a knife unarmed. But if I had no weapons, no armour and nothing I could pick up I’d use my jacket or shirt rather than unarmed disarm techniques. You should see it coming if someone is going to stab you because it’s hard to mask. When you were working the door if some geezer you didn’t know from Adam wanted to shake your hand, what would you do?
Krav maga has obviously developed a bit since then but it’s still looks pretty much the same to me. The history of kava maga or kapap, whatever you want to call it, is entirely fictious. They gave it an Israeli name but it the Fairbairn and Sykes method just Israeli point shooting is based on the Fairbairn, Sykes and Applegate method. You’ve never heard of the British defendu for a reason: it was fucking bollocks. You will have seen it in old films though. It was taught to the SOE, OSS and British commandos and various others, especially in camp X. The Americans continued to rate it after the war for a while but the British army quickly came to the conclusion that these techniques didn’t really work, which is why it was discontinued. My Grandad was taught it in Palestine. He was a London amateur wresting and boxing champion and he didn’t rate it at all.
hermenaught,
BJJ is Kodokan Judo. The Gracies were taught by Mitsuyo Maeda, a Kodokan Judo representative who specialised in newaza. The Gracie style was the same style that Mataemon Tanabe, used to beat Kodokan representatives. Tanabe was head coach at the Fusen-Ryu, before joining the Kodokan. Maeda would have learned that style. Another of Tanabe’s students who later joined the Kodokan was Yokio Tani, who used the exact same style. BJJ is basically Judo a 100 years ago or pre Olympic Judo.
@ hermenaught
Judo players, sambo wrestlers, and submission wrestlers have frequently beat top BJJ players in MMA and submission competitions. In the mid 90s a host of European sambo wrestlers and Judo players tried to enter the BJJ championships but were excluded because they weren’t black belts in BJJ. But very few bjj players have anything like the earning potential or level of sponsorship of an international in Judo or amateur wrestling, so its very hard to believe that anyone good enough wouldn’t make the cross over. I’ve been approached by people doing MMA who want sponsorship, and I always turn them down because there is no financial incentive in doing it. There is even less in sponsoring a bjj player.
Wow. I just googled BJJ vs Judo and got nearly 2 million hits; i see theres this mad war like debate going on. I feel like tourist that just walked into a mine feild. You might have told me!?
Is Krav Maga still the same now as it was in 1973!?
If so, all this stuff they use to sell it, about it being practiced and informed by professionals etc is a lie and they should be exposed for it.
Or are you saying that this British system is still practiced and the two have developed simultaneously and in pratice are still the same system? I have never heard of the British sytem before except maybe on the History channelor summit.
Maybe i was being a bit pedantic, but it was just to make a point that the two things, BJJ and Krav Maga, have changed. All systems that are practiced, competitively or professionally surely do, and therefore they are no longer the same as they were at their origin. BJJ is no longer the same as the part of Judo it originated from. Judo, i guess was more deliberately engineered to be different from its juijitsu roots but still, it has developed and changed through competition. I dont expect that the techniques that were successful 60 years ago would wok so well in the Olympics now.
I hadn’t thought that a bjj player would compete in judo or wrestlign competitions at all.
I didn’t know about Rickson point blank refusing to fight Chris Doleman or in Europe. But Rickson did fight in SA, US and Japan. As for the hand picking …. i can believe that for sure, i hate the way that championship is run and dont respect it as a ‘world’ title.
“No Gracie has ever beat an Olympic medallist in judo under bjj rules”. OK. But I would guess that there must be an olympic judo medalist somewhere that has fought a top ranking bjj player under bjj rules.
I will admit, you are winning me over to the judo. Like i said before, i have been meaning to get to know it a bit. I was really just having a poke when i said “inflamitory lol” i didn’t actually want to get into a debate about which sport is most effective. My point throughout has been that if a system specialises it becomes better at it. You seem to actually disagree with this in the case of BJJ and Jodo. Fair enough, you guys defo do no more than i do about it, but it does surprise me and i would need to see a fair example to be convinced. No doubt a judo player would hammer a bjj player at judo. But that the reverse is not true doesnt fit with my thinking. tbh, i would have expected the bjj player to win at mma. Parhaps i have been deluded by the Gracie JJ propoganda?
Thanks. To me placing at regionals is more important than dan grades. I gave up Judo for competition wrestling, I prefer wrestling but still think Judo is cool.
Facts are facts. krav maga didn’t exist until 1973 and the Haganah were taught by the British and there is nothing distinctly different about krav maga and defendu.
breath is extremely important, not just stamina and endurance, but controlling your breathing so you don’t waste energy.
Disagree mate. I think the kyu grades are irrelevant and dan grades should be awarded strictly on the basis of fighting or coaching ability.
@ hermenaught
There are over 200 million people who practice Judo. I’d be surprised if there was even a 100,000 people actively practising bjj. No Gracie has ever beat an Olympic medallist in judo under bjj rules and no Gracie has won a FILA grappling championship or European submission wrestling championship. They hand picked every competitor in the early days of the UFC and Rickson point blank refused to fight Chris Doleman or in Europe. Victor Belfort also refused to fight in Europe. I’ve competed in sports that hundreds of millions of people practice, the Gracie family doesn’t. If bjj was half as good as you think, there would be be loads of bjj players competing in top class international Judo and wrestling competitions but there ain’t. What’s that tell you?
OK, sorry Amie, i didn’t understand what you meant about the gracies.
I understand what you mean Steph about respecting the competative level of the Olympic competition, I trained with a few medalist when i was younger. I guess it could be fair to say that the Olympic competition for Judo is greater than say the pan american BJJ championships. I couldn’t say for sure, but I guess it isn’t as widespread. I dotn know how many black belts there are in the uk now for example, but last i looked there was just 1! That said, I still dont get the comparison of Judo and BJJ. I respect both arts for what they are, and they are different. I wouldn’t expect a BJJ practitioner to win at sambo, judo or grappling. I wouldn’t expect a judo expert to win at BJJ rules (given the competitors were equally skilled at their individual expertise). I dont really think its the system that makes the fighter good anymore either…. i used to. Now I think its the figher that makes the system work for them. Michado is doing very well. I can even see him threatening Fedor. 5 years ago i dont think anyone would have thought karate was workable in mma, certainly most people had given up on it. I just hope Fedor continues to win and piss that prick dana white off.
@ hermenaught
What she means is that they compete in their own competitions and in contracted fights with professional pro wrestlers, how many of which are genuine, who knows? They haven’t won any notable open competitions in sambo, judo or grappling, and for you to compare bjj competitions to Olympic judo is just plain ridiculous. There’s just no comparison.
Kudo’s to you.
I wish I could have taken it a little further. Our club was disbanded by the Y ( they felt my instructor was too harsh) and it was a few years later before I discovered the IU judo club (which he became head of). By that point in time I had so much going on I was never able to commit at the level I once had. I placed in the state and regional championships almost every year while active.
How important do you think breath is when fighting? That’s something I hardly see mentioned but one of the things I always felt was important – that’s where I felt it when a match went on without a decisive victory.
The Gracies have won nothing? You are missinformed.
You also dont seem to have read what I wrote.
Both BJJ and Judo develop because they are competitive sports. The are differnet, therefore they will excel at their individual specialties. This is obvious.
Think Morihei Ueshiba wanted him to give him a BJ while he was down there.
@ hermenaught
You ain’t done Judo, right? So how do you know what’s in Brazilian Ju-Jitsu is different? It’s Judo Ne Waza with a few leg locks, they just give their moves different names and yeah there are lots of better ground fighters than Brazilian Ju-Jitsu. How about Brazilian Judo players? They are way better on the ground. Anyways like Rob said what have the Gracies actually won? Nothing! And Royce Gracie ain’t good on his back.